Friday, April 12, 2013

1983 BMW 635 Euro - 635CSI - $8995 (Sacramento)

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1983 BMW 635 Euro - 635CSI - $8995 (Sacramento)

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This extremely clean low mileage 1983 635 Euro car is a very special BMW here in the states, unlike the versions built for the U.S. market the European cars came stock with a 5 speed dogleg sport transmission that has close gear ratios for increased performance. The previous owner of the vehicle was a ''Shark'' enthusiast and kept the car in absolutely incredible condition cosmetically and mechanically. The car comes with a limited slip diff and an extremely thorough service history, this 80's BMW aches to be driven!

Mileage: 57,845

VIN #: WBAEC7109D8173265

Trans: 5 Speed Manual

Color: Burgundrot Metallic

Interior: Cloth

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Phone Number: (916) 455-4556



Address: 1115 Fee Drive Sacramento CA 95815

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Posted: 2013-04-09, 12:48PM PDT
Edited: 2013-04-09, 1:49PM PDT

Potential Bargain: Euro 1983 BMW 635CSI

This 1983 BMW 635CSI is a Euro market car with terrific looking bumpers, no side markers, and deleted trunk numbers for a very clean look. The car has a close-ratio dog-leg 5-speed and looks great on 16″ BBS or Rial mesh alloys. Euro E24 coupes look amazing, and given that this money will only buy you a rusty disaster of an E9, we’d say these are becoming better and better alternatives. Find it here at Luxury Motorcars in Sacramento, California for only $8995.
1983 BMW 635CSI Euro Shark Coupe For Sale Rear
We love that the wheels are 16-inchers like they would have been when this car was new. At that point, 17s were nowhere to be found, and on these cars a 17-inch wheel can look a little too modern. Silver centers look slick too, even though we suspect that many would have run gold centers back in the day. The only wheels that look better here are genuine 16″ Alpinas.
1983 BMW 635CSI Euro Shark Coupe For Sale Front
The cloth interior is a quintessential German home-market feature. A swap to leather or black interior wouldn’t be difficult given the abundance of parts cars out there, but it wouldn’t be urgent given how clean these seats remain. The Hardy and Beck wheel looks okay but we wouldn’t mind sourcing an Alpina unit or even reverting to the stock wheel. The 60k original miles claim should be investigated, as these grey-market imports had their speedometers changed when switching to MPH, so this one could have been zeroed out or adjusted. A CarFax or the paperwork with the car could be enlightening.
1983 BMW 635CSI Euro Shark Coupe For Sale Interior
The seller offers zero mechanical information, but we’d say that the engine bay looks quite clean. Dealers are good at making cars shiny, but there is no way that the coolant tank is more than a few years old, so somebody has been paying attention. We like the strut tower brace, and that might be another H&B item that would signal the car being in the Bay Area for some years. That shop might remember the car if quizzed.
1983 BMW 635CSI Euro Shark Coupe For Sale Engine
Our first three questions for the dealer would be in regards to rust (from possible early days in the homeland), paint work (for possible accidents or color blends), and smog legality (the seller doesn’t show a BAR tag, which likely would have been aluminum on a car of this age). As a dealer, he is responsible to get the car smogged if selling to a California buyer, so that is better than with a private party that might try to pass the buck. If the answers to these questions are even mostly good, we’d say this is a great coupe to buy. With the asking price so low, we are a little confused at just how cheap they must have purchased it for.

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  1. Love it, love it, love it! The Euro trim really makes this tempting, but almost seems too good to be true.
    Having said that, CA has such a disdain for the early cars still in the smog inspection program…I fully agree with the BAT waring about the BAR inspection, and the dealer’s responsibility (under the law) to sell a smog-legal car.
    Note, smog legal is different than “smogged” once.
  2. “waring” = warning…it’s 3 a.m.
  3. Anyone close for an inspection?
  4. I’m not a BMW expert by anyone’s (or my own) definition, but I will be in Sacramento next week with some tentative free time on Friday afternoon. May need to stop in & take a closer look.
    Some other interesting cars at the dealer as well.
  5. @BiggREDTodd. I am overseas so a quick hop over to Luxury Motors is out for me. So yes if you are willing to check it out. No need for a BMW expert. If you are a car guy you will look at the usual suspects.
  6. Boy howdy does this look like a bargain or what?! Love to see it in the sunshine in person. The colors are great together, and the cloth interior is very inviting. If the mechanicals are even close to good…
    Bring Cash!
  7. Makes me miss my ’84 633, nasty U.S. bumpers and all. One of the all-time classic designs…poetry even standing still and a symphony in motion. All the best to seller and buyer!
  8. 16″ would not have been the standard wheel size when new; it would have come with the infamous 390mm (metric) TRX wheels, which are closer to 15″ then 16″.
    I wouldn’t put much value into a Carfax from an ’85 gray market import…but any maintenance and ownership records would be worth their weight in gold.
    There’s a bit more discussion on this car at the BigCoupe forum at
  9. From the looks of the underhood, I’d expect the car is low rust. Beauty. Love the cloth interior.
  10. What happened to the original steering wheel?
  11. I really like this car and gave it quite a bit of thought so I looked at the CarFax report. It consistently failed (28 times to be exact) emission tests as a “Gross Polluter.” The last one it failed was on 1/3/13. Looks like it came in the country on 11/13/1991 with 26473 showing on the odometer. Guessing the PO got tired of it failing the tests, looks like at one time he parked it for two years after it failed once in 2010.
    As most of these cars, I wish it were closer.
  12. @BIGREDTODD – IRA’s are in Sacramento right Todd? Could be a good opportunity to see the bmw
  13. quattro_for_life
    This dealer had an E28 M5 about a month ago that was a consignment, it looks terrific as well but an inspection revealed it to be in terrible mechanical condition. They were very up front with the details and the owner reduced the price significantly. I ended up finding one closer to home that was in drive able condition, but I was impressed with how upfront this dealer was!
  14. How refreshing to see one with cloth upholstery. Now you won’t slide off the seats in corners. Seems to be priced right if the condition is a s good as it looks.
  15. Love is in the air … she’s a real beauty and the cost is very reasonable … temptation is calling.
  16. Oh, man. This and the same generation of 5-series are my favourite BMWs.
    This one appears to be an absolute gem, too! It’s SO nice to see one on period-correct wheels. Roads are rough, and not getting better…sidewalls are your good friend.
    However, I’ve found, in my own hunting of, um, “unusual” vehicles, Carfax goes back only to about the mid-to-late 90′s. At least it did on the half-dozen vehicles I used it for.
  17. Cool Cadillac Cat
    Oh, man. This and the same generation of 5-series are my favourite BMWs.
    This one appears to be an absolute gem, too! It’s SO nice to see one on period-correct wheels. Roads are rough, and not getting better…sidewalls are your good friend.
    However, I’ve found, in my own hunting of, um, “unusual” vehicles, Carfax goes back only to about the mid-to-late 90′s. At least it did on the half-dozen vehicles I used it for.
  18. I have loved all four of my 6-series Beemers over the last 10 years. They’re all gone now except for the 1988 M6, which I actually sold and then bought it back because I missed it so much. These cars are the best of BMW engineering and design without the over complication of modern electronics. It’s a real driver’s car, and one feels connected to the machine and road like no modern car can provide. The M6 now has over 150,000 miles on it and I look forward driving her more than any other car in the garage.
  19. that engine has been power washed. WHHHHHHYYYYY do dealers do that??????? I bought a car once with a nice shiny engine….will never never never ever ever ever do it again. It ran fine for about 6 months and then we hit winter and all the electrical connections rusted up as all the lubricant had been forced out by the soap and high pressure spray.
  20. Cool Cadillac Cat
    Oh, man. This and the same generation of 5-series are my favourite BMWs.
    This one appears to be an absolute gem, too! It’s SO nice to see one on period-correct wheels. Roads are rough, and not getting better. Ergo, relatively-tall sidewalls are your good friend.
    However, I’ve found, in my own hunting of, um, “unusual” vehicles, Carfax goes back only to about the mid-to-late 90′s. At least it did on the half-dozen vehicles I used it for.
  21. I’m with BAT. . Has much as I would love an E9, E24′s priced like this are a VERY attractive Alternative. Not that they can’t rust or bring their own issues to the table but my experience has led me to believe they have substantially fewer structural issues than their older brothers.
  22. This or Chris’s Bavaria? hmmmm!
  23. Nice car, very nice. Great color combo and you can’t argue about the price.
  24. Cool Cadillac Cat
    ed, I’m with you 100%.
    I want to see an appropriate amount of dust, dirt, and overall grime under the hood…not some sparkly crap.
    If it’s spotless under the hood/bonnet, then something bad is likely lurking. Not all the time, but much of the time.
    Same goes for freshly-changed oil. No. I want to see/smell it with a couple thousand miles on it.
  25. Matt (from Sweden)
    Original wheel size would have been 205/70VR14. I think the metric wheels requiring Michelin TRX’s (390 or 415) were for the M version only?
  26. Matt (from Sweden)
    Hang on.. the ad says the engine is ’3.2′. So is this really a 633 in 635 trim? There is a considerable difference in value between a 633 and a 635 where I’m from. Just sayin’.
  27. Well, it sure is handsome and clean!
  28. @ TSK is right. The E9s are arguably prettier, but jeez are they expensive to restore (if already restored, then $pendy).
    E24s are real head-turners and people are aware, at a minimum, that they are very beautiful, classic BMWs. No one recognizes my E12 (or the E9s my friends have had) as BMWs.
    If this one can be registered in a smog-tolerant state, it’s a bargain. The only things to do is to poly bush the upper and lower suspension arms, but I bet it’s done already.
    As everyone knows, M30s are bullet proof. You can do an oil & filter change in about 8 minutes, if you’re really in a hurry. This one has the Getrag stick, so the trans won’t break like the autos (although the early 4HPs [non-electronic] autos are worth considering, as they are far more robust than the late 4HP-E).
    Assuming it hasn’t got hidden accident repairs etc. (the Big Coupe guys suggest not), this looks like a steal. Someone should’ve snapped it up already.
    I sold my ’81 Euro 635 in ’09, but I really think I have another one in my future, as E9 prices are going nowhere but north.
  29. Stevelovescars
    If anyone wants a look-see, I am only about ten miles from this location and wouldn’t mind taking a look. I have never owned a 6-series but have owned a 2002, 535iT, and an R1100 so I am fairly comfortable looking at BMWs.
  30. Alex, don’t know if you are trying to save the car for yourself or don’t know how to read a real Carfax, but your “synopsis” fails to mention some significant facts. First, the car did come in the US in 91 and passed emissions for the next 10 years. It passed again in 03, o6, 08 and 10. There were some failures during those time that were apparently addresses. I assume it is time for a new certification and it has initially failed again since 2012. It looks like the owner either made a few adjustments hoping it would pass (sometimes more than once in the same day) at the same Stockton test facility but has yet to get it to pass. I would guess it is now no longer allowed to operate and he owner felt it was worth the investment or time to mess with. The fact that it’s been a one owner since it came in tells me it was a well loved car and I’m sure the owner hated to part with it but chose to move on. The fact that a 1983 euro BMW cannot be made to meet current specs is not a big surprise but maybe the owner would rather not mess with it and the possible power affect and just let it go.
  31. VIN decoding websites all say that this indeed is a 635CSI, despite the listing saying it is a 3.2 engine. One interesting item is that the deleted trunk numbers was a factory option on this car -option S320A.
  32. I imported a couple of these in 1985. Front fenders get rusty. Along the top if memory serves. Not sure how it could have been imported in 1991. German manufactures had that pretty much stopped by then I imagine. I know they ordered dealerships not to touch them and banks would not either.
    The Euro 635 had a better trans that had reverse down and back but I bet it’s gone in this one.
    As as been noted I’d be damn sure all is well with the smog situation before paying for it. I would want to see it being smogged cuz you can’t trust dealers.
    Allen Hardy is the guy to talk to and probably knows of others for sale.
  33. Mike_W
    That is information we can work with. We should give more of that genuine exacting info on BAT.
  34. I imported a couple of these in 1985. Front fenders get rusty. Along the top if memory serves. Not sure how it could have been imported in 1991. German manufactures had that pretty much stopped by then I imagine. I know they ordered dealerships not to touch them and banks would not either.
    The Euro 635 had a better trans that had reverse down and back but I bet it’s gone in this one.
    As as been noted I’d be damn sure all is well with the smog situation before paying for it. I would want to see it being smogged cuz you can’t trust dealers.
    Allen Hardy is the guy to talk to and probably knows of others for sale.
    I still lust for a Euro M635 like Allen was bringing in back then. and the 3pice BBS wheels were to die for.
  35. The Euro 635 used a M90 engine, same bore and stroke as the M88 but used the “rack of ribs” intake, this is probably a 633, e24 based chassis. The 635 that is in the export came out in ’85 model year, which is a stroked 633. The M90 is a short stroke bigger bore with siamesed cylinders. Wheels look like BBS-Mahle which were either 16 X 7/8 F/R staggered, or most likely 16 X 8/9 F/R which are period correct.
  36. @Matt: no, the TRX tires would have been standard issue, not 14″. The M6 would have had larger (415mm) TRX wheels. And I’m sure the seller saw the “3.2 / 3.5″ stamped on the intake manifold and put 3.2 in the ad for whatever reason.
  37. Steve, would you mind stopping by and take a look for me.
    I am not intrested in smog legal or not so you can skip that part, but I do want to know if it is 635 with no major rust issues.
    If they have any history would be great as well.
  38. no, I would say the dealer is reading the engine. Literally. The manifold on this one, and every other M30 of that era I’ve seen, says “3.2/3.5″ and I think someone went along with the lower figure.
    The dogleg 5 spd, the spoiler, and the fact that someone took the trouble to grey market import it all point to it being a 3.5. I have never seen a grey market 633, it costs just as much to import as a 635 and the price difference was slight to begin with.
  39. I had a 1984 533i which sported the stock metric wheels which can only be wrapped in very expensive Michelin tires. Replaced with 15″ wheels.
  40. Bring An Armani for the ride home
  41. That’s a great deal, but like the article said, rust would be the biggest factor in that low price. Mileage be damned; they aren’t the WORST motors to work on.
    That’d be smog-exempt in Illinois; if I had the cash, I’d jump on it.
  42. Nice looking car, good to see another color than black, silver, etc. As for the wheels and steering wheel, why spend money adding Alpina bits to a car that wasn’t built by them when the existing bits are fine? It would be nice to have a set of matching Recaro front seats, though. Definitely check for rust starting in the usual places, but the car does look clean and well-cared for.
  43. I absolutely LOVE THIS but boy does it feel like a tar baby. It looks too clean and too low mileage for this price. Is it a *POTENTIAL* bargain? Maybe… But I have a sneaking suspicion there’s a cash vacuum hidden under all that shiny paint ready to suck your wallet clean.
  44. Matt (from Sweden)
    @Graham, I guess Wikipedia could be wrong:
    There could also be a difference between euro and US (and Japan) models, and this is a euro model. Anyhow, TRX was crap so let’s hope I’m right :)
    The reason I’m a bit suspicious abot the 3.2 statement is because the seller has several 635csi cars for sale and has stated the correct engine size on the other cars.
  45. @Dennis: no, you are confusing the “M635″ with the regular M30-powered 635. Just because it’s a euro-spec 635 doesn’t make it a M635/M6.
  46. Dogleg box ftw.
    Getrag 265, same as euro E30 M3, but with different bell housing.
  47. Appears to be a very nice car but it is so hard to trust these buff and shine dealer
    Curious if someone close by can take a look and post his opinion
  48. Appears to be a very nice car but it is so hard to trust these buff and shine dealer
    Curious if someone close by can take a look and post his opinion
  49. On the engine designation, my 535 has 3.2/3.5 on the intake manifold, they are different blocks, same stroke. I mispoke about the stroked 633: the 633 and 635 shared the same stroke. The casting on the side of the 635 block will have 3.5, the 633 will have 3.0/3.3, look under the intake manifld. As far as the wheels are concerned, the 745 (turbo) had 16″ wheels, they were BBS-Mahle.
  50. @alex,
    Thanks for checking out the CarFax for us!
    My wife has been looking for a nice older 325 (or 325ix), however I know that she would LOVE this 635!
    The emissions thing kind or scares me though as Colorado can be tough.
    Still, if this were closer, I’d certainly have a look!
  51. Matt (from Sweden)
    This site too claims the tire size for a 1983 635csi in Europe export is 205/70VR14, but it also says displacement is 3210 cm3.. like this car. Kind of confused right now. Was there an export model with these specs?
  52. I don’t want to sound like a broken record when I say the e24s are well on their way to replacing their E9 progenitors as BMW’s most iconic luxury coupes. I think the photos tell the story quite nicely.
    The ad says the owner is/was an E24 enthusiast, so if it’s time to sell – without a smog certificate – it’s a bit of liability rather than an asset here in NorCal.
    If it’s as nice as it looks cosmetically, drives well and not rusty, it may be possible to work some magic on the engine to meet smog in California. Couldn’t say exactly without some numbers. Might need a rebuild, or de-tuned a bit. Or a catalytic converter (if it has none). Or an engine swap to US specs – all compromises that would cancel out the seeming low price.
    Or sell it out-of-state where smog is unnecessary.
  53. Graham, the M90 engine (I have 3) is a SOHC engine used in the Euro 635 and 735 used from ’79 to ’81, the only time the M desigination was used with this engine was for the M535 Euro that was also from ’79 to ’81. the M90 shared the same bore and stroke as the M88 and S38 engines. The M88 was used in racing CSLs and the original M1. An M88 head can be adapted to the M90 block, if you can find the timing cover and some of the other bits. Big difference between the M88 and S38 is timing chain arrangement and ignition. CSL used Mechanical Fuel injection. M635 (early) used the M88, later engines used the S38. I have customer cars that use all the above variations.
  54. The seller is a dealer.
    Most dealers don’t know jack about what they sell.
    If they do have the car history, they can be very selective on what they divulge.
    Lastly, they are great at detailing a car and making it look beautiful.
    Just saying……..
  55. @Matt, yes, heartily agree on TRX’s being total crap in today’s world!
    @Dennis, good info, thanks!
  56. Already a classic and one of my favorite coupe designs
  57. On the TRX issue, tires are available from Coker, as far as Coker is concerned, I wouldn’t have them as a gift. It is much less expensive to buy new wheels and tires. 16″ look great 17″ is as large as I would go for the proportion. Saw 18″ on one and it was approaching cartoon status … think of the Rat Fink models of the 60′s.
  58. Back in 1989 when I had just graduated college and in my new aprtment in Memphis, a divorced early 40s blond lived in the aprtment across from me and drove a blue one of these. I fell in love with both and will have one of these BMWs one day. Too bad it is 2000 miles away.
  59. Beautiful car but…”If it is too good to be true, it probably isn’t”.
  60. Martin Sullivan
    My daily driver is a 1978 BMW 633csi Euro. Originally imported to the US by the original German owner. Rust issues to check are inner top fender areas where the electrical fuse box sits (check both fenders as both are prone to rust), also check under the drivers seat area and the spare tire well. Love the car and continue to fix anything that goes wrong because driving it everyday is more fun than any other of the 60 or more cars I’ve owned in my life. Of course, I’ve never owned a Ferrari… grin.
  61. I want every car I own to be a “gross polluter”
  62. I’ve owned my current ’86 635 CSi for 12 years, and have enjoyed every minute driving it. An excellent highway car yet nice in the city too. My wife has noticed when we drive it that we get lots of looks from women who seem to be in love with the styling- She tells me: “Chicks dig it; guys envy it.”
    And I believe it.
  63. Steve, send me your info also. If Vereeken doesn’t jump on this I’m
  64. nice. had something similar- ’85 gray market 635csi, same color, black leather interior, alpina bits [rubber spoiler, pinstriped like this one]
    very nice driving car, in a gt kind of way, and of course, very pretty. swapped the 390s for a set of 17″ bbs rx wheels, and dinan stage 2 suspension . had it resprayed in a very similar, but metallic maroon [ a newer bmw color ] sigh. another one I wish I still had.
  65. This dealer also has had a nice M5 which just hasn’t sold even though it seems very reasonably priced
  66. I agree with all above–my US spec 87 635CSi was a wonderful driver. Only had 184 hp, so a bit slooow to get going, but then would cruise all day at multi-digits (if you were careful and lucky). I did a 16″ wheel/tire swap, solved the TRX/tire issues, and it handled great. Watch for rust in rear doglegs, too. Mine went to 160K before I sold it, with only regular maintenance. Since this a +25 years old, would it be smog exempt in TX? BTW, my old one was Delphin (dolphin) gray metallic, got many compliments about that color, too.
  67. Not to pick nits, but (as an owner of an E46 M3) just wondering if someone could tell me why the information display panel would be in German, but the dash display for oil and inspection is in English?
  68. I like these cars a lot, but I don’t think the price is any screaming deal. Not a ripoff, but seems full retail for that car to me.
  69. @bunnyslope: Probably the same reason they call the “quarter pounder” a “royale with cheese” in Amsterdam. Likely when it was federalized they swapped the metric gauge cluster for an english one and just left that idiot light panel alone.
  70. Looks like a very nice car.
    Searching a bit on the Bigcoupe Forum I understand the previous owner, who tragically passed away earlier this year, was very active in the Pacific Sharkfest. I kind of got away from the E24 community over the last several years (bitten by the Lotus bug), but the folks posting descriptions of this car in the link above have been around the cars for a long time and know a good example. The E24 community is very supportive and engaged, which is great. I see this car as similar to the fantastic Imperial a few weeks ago, where a known member of the community has done it all to the car with the intention to keep it. Pretty hard to go wrong.
    I would definitely put this one on the list if I was looking for an E24. A windows out repaint of one of these is daunting, and if already done this is a huge value. The commonly mentioned rust issues would have been dealt with.
    I can`t comment on the potential smog issues as we don`t face that issue here.
    Lots of discussion on E24 wheel / tire size. Bottom line is the 16″ that I understand are on this car are a common and desirable size; the suspension can carry this size very well, are within rounding of the stock TRX sizes we got over here, and new tires are readily available. Weak part of stock front suspension is the thrust arm bushings, which are typically upgraded using cut down Seven Series or purpose made bushings. I use 16 in Borbets on my M6 with no complaints, although lots of folks have gone to 17 in.
    For comparo, from the Jeremy Walton Book `BMW 6 Series Enthusiast`s Companion`….
    The NA M6 TRX 240 45VR415 tire size was a wheel size of 16.3″ diameter x 8″.
    The NA 635CSi TRX 220 55VR390 tire size was a wheel size of 15.4 in x 6.5 in.
    I don`t have the number handy, but the Euro bumpers and manual seat adjustments would lighten the car, which is a good thing. I see it has the sunroof, also a good thing.
    Sorry for length. Best of luck to buyer and seller. Looks like a good one.
  71. For what it’s worth, I ran a CARFAX VHR. The car last passed CA smog on 10/15/08 and has failed smog on 20 attempts from 10/15/10 – 1/3/13.
  72. @KLamb: Thanks! I probably should have been more specific (but you answered the unasked question) and asked if this was a stock arrangement (wouldn’t think so), or did it get swapped out? If it got swapped, I wonder if they have the original equipment? With my E46, I keep any original part that I swap out for any non-original/OEM part…
  73. OK so this is completely unrelated to this car, but why doesn’t BaT have those mystery-car contests anymore? It was a lot of fun and I can’t be the only one missing them.
  74. unfortunate these have B pillars
  75. From what I see only items not oem are the seats , radio, strut brace, and wheels.
    It has the simple heater/vent/ac system much more reliable,than the auto hvac system. The temp gauge is exactly where it should be at idle or normal run. I see nothing under the hood indicating any wiring or vac line molestation from oem.
    Check the spare tire well bottom for rust, give you a good idea on the rest of the body. Crawl under and check the rubber drive shaft coupling at transmission tail, if it looks good no cracks and tight then it does indeed have only 57k mile. If the coupling is new and replaced the car is over 150k mile. Look closely at the condition of the hoses off the top of the gas tank seen from under side in front of drivers rear wheel. If possible inside drivers door behind speaker look at ecu , sometimes water collects there.
    Darn nice car, and a 5 speed to boot.
  76. It’s okay. I don’t like the color or the cloth and Alex’s find makes it even more dubious. Sure these are beautiful to look at; but I’m not sure this is the example I’d want.
  77. Since the dealer has this car price the same as another car in stock; an ’89 635csi with 180k miles and an automatic, I’d ask the dealer why it’s priced so cheap. If it’s just the BAR problem, I’d buy the car and smile as I drove it back to MN…
  78. It is very clean and pretty, which is something that these dealers thrive on, so it makes me wonder why it isn’t more expensive. To buy it they they would have only paid 5-6k for it for it to be this price
  79. The instrument clusters of that era always display “oilservice” and “inspection”, even on cars that have German text for everything else. It’s just one of those things, I suppose.
    I wouldn’t even bother looking at the odometer mileage. Do BMW odometers ever work?
  80. On TRX radials: I had an ’84 Thunderbird with TRX radials. They were REALLY nice on a smooth dry road.
    That said, I wouldn’t take them for a gift.
    Any standing water or snow and they get REALLY squirrely. When I went to replace them, the cost was 2-3x above standard 15″ Goodyear or Michelins. Got four nice steel wheels for $60 and the above problems magically disappeared with the standard 15″ tires.
  81. Oh, and by the way, I think the instrument cluster is the original one with only the speedometer swapped out. It’s still got the mileage meter with l/100 km (rather than MPG) and fuel gauge marked with litres (rather than just half and full).
  82. Sold, early this morning.
  83. Someone once opined that “The E-type always wins” when discussing a Jag on here… In reference to why he kept restoring and enjoying Jag’s sports car for 3 years… Because it stacks up so favorably against just about anything classic.
    In it’s corner of the world, the E24 has that kind of distinction… Seriously, pick a vintage car for DAILY use, other criteria are beauty and fun to drive. max budget $10k. Given those parameters, what comes close to a 635CSi? I can’t think of much. Don’t regret having bought mine, that’s for sure…
  84. Not surprised this went so fast. I have a NA 633 and keep an eye on E24s for sale. The Euro look is definitely worth the surcharge over US models. There just are not seem to be that many nice E24s out there and fewer Euro models. I would rather have a Euro than a US M6 myself which go for twice what this went for.
  85. My favorite BMW….really sexy, but decidedly muscular and aggressive. The Euro bumpers are a departure from what I’m used to, and appear to emphasize the rear end styling.
    Needs a SNAPON vanity plate.
  86. That’s the only problem with BaT, stuff sells faster than you can clear it with the wife.
  87. @Type44
    “What comes close to a 635CSI?”"
    Well, just to be a troublemaker, a Saab 9000 Aero, with $200 thrown at a Stage One brain tweak.
  88. In California, a car over 25 years old can get Historic Car plates and be exempt from smog. You are limited to 1000 miles a year or so. They figure parades, car show usage, and sort of non fun stuff.
  89. Sorry Dennis. They closed this loop hole last year. Back to WA plates with CA address. Lol.
  90. Flanged, bolt-in catalyst, with a gallon of methanol added to the fuel tank, also works wonders, but you did not hear that from me…
  91. Stevelovescars
    I saw the car at about 12:3o CA time this afternoon. By that point, the dealer (a BaT fan, by the way) had been so bombarded with calls about the car that his sales guys were confused about who was actually buying it.
    The dealer says it did pass CA smog in the past few days, “but just barely,” whatever that means.
    In terms of cosmetics and rust, it looked bone dry to me. The inner fenders, undercarriage, and trunk floor were straight and spotless. There was a little photo book with pictures before, during, and after the paint job. It appeared to have been a sun-faded but dry car to begin with, same color. I used to own a non metallic dark red (Malaga) 2002 that had lived in this climate and it had faded horribly. The metallic hues in the early 1980s were notoriously even worse.
    The interior looked as perfect in person as in the photos. Very nice.
    I hadn’t been to this dealer before. It was a really nice place, spotless. The owner presented me with an inspection report that showed about $2k in suggested repairs, mostly minor issues like bushings, small coolant leaks, etc. I don’t typically like to buy cars from dealers but he seemed interested in being completely straight and making sure everyone who contacted him got the full disclosure about the car before commuting to buy. By that point, however, he seemed to be getting offers left and right, including some from other dealers.
  92. The first hand report from Stevenlovescars is greatly appriciated! I am the fellow who purchased the car.. I’ll fly from Seattle to Sacramento in the morning to pick it up sight-unseen. When I saw the car on BaT I called the dealer, asked for wire instructions, and sent them the asking price on the spot. From what I can ascertain, I was very very lucky that my call was answered, as they were slammed with inquires on this particular shark. The dealership’s owner, Colby, sounded both flustered and absolutely amazed at the response that BaT generated. Like Stevenlovescars, I too get the sense that Colby is operating on the straight and narrow.. He told me every thing that is wrong with the car.. none of it exceptional or alarming for an E24.. However, I’ll inspect the car for myself and see what I’ve gotten myself into.. I’ll be sure to post my findings in a day or two. I’m rolling the dice on this one, but what the heck, you only live once!!
  93. ~ @ Stevelovescars,
    . thank you for the report.
  94. ~ @ Stevelovescars,
    . thank you for the report.
    ~ and congratulations BCMac !
  95. I of course cannot sleep and am re-reading all of the BaT comments on this car.. Graham’s link is interesting.. it seems that this 635 and its owner Wynn Williams, were well known and respected in the CA E24 community. He evidently put quite a lot of effort into a thorough respray. I’m beginning to think that’ve stumbled onto a very good car. Good paintwork can run into serious time and money, and nothing is better for an old car than a prideful owner.
  96. That dealer always has decent cars, seems pretty legit.
    Good price, for that car! Have a fun drive back u lucky buyer!
  97. Cangrats BCMac!
    I’m glad an enthusiast got the car rather than one of (apparently several) likely flippers among other interested enthusiasts.
    I knew in mey gut this wasn’t going to last until next week, but it’s probably best that it left the people’s republic of California and our misguided smog reg’s.
    I’ve had an appreciation for these ever since I saw the opening car chase of Lethal Weapon II (red BMW M6, I believe).
  98. Well done, BCMac. You bought this car the right way, knowing that the owner took great care to restore it correctly.
    Than there’s my way of buying a total heap and spending what I would have (and then some) for a proper example.
  99. Im in love!
  100. Wow, another huge BaT success story. Congrats to the new owner! It sounds well-bought. By the time I got my info together, and reached out, the guys at Luxury sounded frazzled and it was already done. Great job!
  101. @BCMac
    Congratulations on the purchase of this fine car.
    Well bought. Lateley I have not seen another grey market survivor, especially in this fantastic color and in this condition.
    Unlike CA with their overblown smog laws for older cars , WA is way more accomodating about registering older cars, even out of state. There will be no smog inspection, since it’s older than 25 years, you can have a YOM plate for a cost of 43.– which has never to be renewed and no VIN inspection of the car is required.
    Besides that you do not have to deal with rude, unfriendly, unqualified people like at the CA DMV, instead you can go to a small licensing agency if you don’t want to do the paperwork directly with the DOL.
    These are the main reason why I keep most of my toys titled up there.
  102. Nice car. The same dealer has a nice Alfa spider driver – is the valance black a fashion choice, or… and dents in the radiator might be a sign of earlier life. Also see the Porsche Carrera type track cars, and the RUF Boxster (who knew they made them). Anyone know what type of formula car is leaning against the wall behind some of the Alfa shots?
  103. Congratulations BCMac. Looking forward to your BaT Success report on the car. The drive north is fantastic in one of these! Hope you have the time to add the ~200 miles and take the coast route.
    We all often read (or provide) the advice to “buy the best example you can find” for a model we are familiar with. Sounds like you have done it!
    Big props to the seller for being straight up.
    ’87 M6 Calgary

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:54 amReply with quote
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came upon this rarity local to me in Sacramento, California. They are asking $9k.

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Fairly certain I know this 6er!!!
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Gents, checking as we speak, but I am pretty sure that this was owned by the late Wynn Williams Sad

I will reply once I find out for sure, but please note that it will make this particular example a very special one, for the bay area 6er community and PSF'ers Pray

And for those who are interested and want more details, please let us know, we can fill in the blanks for you Wink

Suffice to say that it went thru an extensive restoration Cool

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Applause Applause Applause Applause Sweet Buddha on a UNICYCLE! 9K for that car is a STEAL! Great Googly Moogly that car is a jewel! I don't think I've ever seen an E24 in Burgundrot metallic before. Amazing restoration.



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This is indeed one of Winfields 6er's
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Likely wont be For Sale long..

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Re: Fairly certain I know this 6er!!!
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Suffice to say that it went thru an extensive restoration Cool


What exactly does that mean? Significant repair work (body or engine)?

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Trying to get more details . . .
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As Dug mentioned, this is indeed Wynn's Euro, and he put a ton of effort into this example Applause

Complete repaint, molding off/glass out type of preofessional job, no corner cutting on this respray Shame on you

Interior has been redone as well, although I do not yet know to what extent. The seats have been redone in a very nice fabric that appears it would wear nicely, matching front and rear seats Wink

Wheels and tires have obviously been replaced as well Laughing

Once I get more details (maybe Dug knows more as well Rolling Eyes ) I will post the info Applause

Whoever picks up this beauty should know it's history, as it was owned by a very well respected member of the 6er community who passed away unexpectedly recently, Winfield Williams Sad

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Updates . . .
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Talked to Paul, claims that it really just needed a cosmetic restoration, as the mechanicals were in decent shape, and the mileage is true Wink

Parts were exchanged here and there as required, but no engine work or anytihng like that. Likewise, the cosmetic restoration did not require any body work, just repaint, and of course, a beautiful job on the seats Laughing

It should be noted that Wynn was having problems with getting this bad boy thru CA smog, so potential California buyers should be aware of this, although it is being sold by a dealer Think

Wonder if the dealer is required to have the car pass smog d'oh!

Here's a shot from PSF last year Cool

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It would really be great if someone here could buy it and "keep it in the family".


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